Comments on: NBC promotes division and denigration of Black Love http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/ Religion, Policy, Activism Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:55:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Faith in Action | Rants & Raves on a testy Friday evening http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-4359 Faith in Action | Rants & Raves on a testy Friday evening Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:54:59 +0000 http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-provides-platform-for-the-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-4359 [...] on another night! (:sigh: I can’t do it again. I already dropped my thunder on this issue when NBC did it.) Sorry, Mr. Media Men - no matter what you do, there are still many Black Women who deeply love [...] [...] on another night! (:sigh: I can’t do it again. I already dropped my thunder on this issue when NBC did it.) Sorry, Mr. Media Men - no matter what you do, there are still many Black Women who deeply love [...]

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]]> By: antonio http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2342 antonio Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:17:06 +0000 http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-provides-platform-for-the-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2342 Aleyda, pray for the Native Americans. Aleyda, pray for the Native Americans.

]]> By: Aleyda http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2321 Aleyda Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:58:40 +0000 http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-provides-platform-for-the-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2321 Rev. Solomon,I believe you have misread Jeremiah when he said "Can the Ethiopian change the color of his skin?" It had nothing to do with Jeremiah believing the Ethiopian's skin was problematic. He was making a point that somethings will never change.Of course a person who is born Black cannot change his skin. What is wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with that statement, if you do not believe that the color Black is bad and you want to change it. And furthermore, even if you marry someone of another race and have children, theyare part of you, but certainly not you. Your color still remains the same. Jeremiah was an individual from his age and he made a simple explanation to refer to certain things that are unchangeable.He went on to say:" Can a leopard change its spots?" .Are you going to say that Jeremiah had a problem with leopards?. Hey please do not put in your insecurities in the Bible. You are so busy trying to push racial mingling that you have botched it. Hey ultimately, most people as awhole usually fall in love with their own group. And it has nothing to do with racism, and it is not against God. God has ordained differences. The Creator is the father of diversity. He is not interested in seeing any particular people becoming extict. Most of the distinct people on the earth today will remain to until God disposes. God is Great. Rev. Solomon,I believe you have misread Jeremiah when he said “Can the Ethiopian change the color of his skin?” It had nothing to do with Jeremiah believing the Ethiopian’s skin was problematic. He was making a point that somethings will never change.Of course a person who is born Black cannot change his skin. What is wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with that statement, if you do not believe that the color Black is bad and you want to change it.

And furthermore, even if you marry someone of another race and have children, theyare part of you, but certainly not you. Your color still remains the same. Jeremiah was an individual from his age and he made a simple explanation to refer to certain things that are unchangeable.He went on to say:” Can a leopard change its spots?” .Are you going to say that Jeremiah had a problem with leopards?. Hey please do not put in your insecurities in the Bible. You are so busy trying to push racial mingling that you have botched it.

Hey ultimately, most people as awhole usually fall in love with their own group. And it has nothing to do with racism, and it is not against God. God has ordained differences. The Creator is the father of diversity. He is not interested in seeing any particular people becoming extict. Most of the distinct people on the earth today will remain to until God disposes.

God is Great.

]]> By: antonio http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2308 antonio Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:47:53 +0000 http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-provides-platform-for-the-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2308 Yo man this is crazy, you are definately the dude. I just wrote this man. And you responded already. I think that is a good idea, I know now that im finding out about all of these books I wish that I would've been able to have someone tell me a list of essential reading material. I know there is so much to find out to become conscious. You should definately do this, it would be a great benefit to younger people like myself. Yo man this is crazy, you are definately the dude. I just wrote this man. And you responded already. I think that is a good idea, I know now that im finding out about all of these books I wish that I would’ve been able to have someone tell me a list of essential reading material. I know there is so much to find out to become conscious. You should definately do this, it would be a great benefit to younger people like myself.

]]> By: Heber Brown, III http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2306 Heber Brown, III Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:37:30 +0000 http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-provides-platform-for-the-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2306 The books that you have listed are all great. Mis-Education was one of firsts in my library and Zinn's book on A People's History is one of the newer additions to my shelf. You've inspired me to write an entry about the books that have helped (and are still helping) me break the chains of psychological slavery. I'll try to post the beginnings of a list in the morning. Perhaps we can make this a group project for those on the 'net that are conscious as well. The books that you have listed are all great. Mis-Education was one of firsts in my library and Zinn’s book on A People’s History is one of the newer additions to my shelf.

You’ve inspired me to write an entry about the books that have helped (and are still helping) me break the chains of psychological slavery. I’ll try to post the beginnings of a list in the morning. Perhaps we can make this a group project for those on the ‘net that are conscious as well.

]]> By: antonio http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2305 antonio Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:23:44 +0000 http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-provides-platform-for-the-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2305 Man this is even better than I thought, you respond to comments too. lol. I am an admirer and I have the utmost love and respect for someone like yourself that displays this kind of love for his brothers and sisters. The definiton of a role model my man. I was going to respond to benjamins latest comments but no need, you reiterated my point exactly. No where did you say anything about anyone else other than us. That is definately a problem for them. When we speak of us getting stronger together, they tremble and it is seen by them as a direct shot at their very existence. Thats how I feel at least. I mean these are things I think that it is just impossible to hide for them when these issues surface. Case in point, I know you have read Dr. Welsings book. I said that the white man has a conscious or unconscious fear and envious complex with the Black man's Penis. That fear stemming from his inability to produce melanin and ability to be anihilated by the Black man's ability to produce melanin. And what repsonse do I see, " thanks for the historical background on the size of the African Phallus, as I’m sure it matters a great deal to you; but I myself have been told that I do not have the need to feel any envy in that area." Where did I mention anything on the size of a penis? Where did you mention anything about him not being " the man his wife needs" ? As you can probably see Mr. Brown I am a little younger and still have much to learn as I have begun to speak on something that I just said I wouldn't. Sometimes I just get really angry about certain things. As for my books, my collection is kind of small. I have The Mis-Education of the Negro by Carter G. Woodson, Chains and Images of Psychological Slavery by Dr. Na'im Akbar, I Speak of Freedom by Kwame Nkrumah, Nigger by Dick Gregory, A People's History of the united states by Howard Zinn, and my fav The Isis Papers by Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. I know that there is so much I should get, do you have any suggestions, must haves that I should know about? Man this is even better than I thought, you respond to comments too. lol. I am an admirer and I have the utmost love and respect for someone like yourself that displays this kind of love for his brothers and sisters. The definiton of a role model my man. I was going to respond to benjamins latest comments but no need, you reiterated my point exactly. No where did you say anything about anyone else other than us. That is definately a problem for them. When we speak of us getting stronger together, they tremble and it is seen by them as a direct shot at their very existence. Thats how I feel at least. I mean these are things I think that it is just impossible to hide for them when these issues surface. Case in point, I know you have read Dr. Welsings book. I said that the white man has a conscious or unconscious fear and envious complex with the Black man’s Penis. That fear stemming from his inability to produce melanin and ability to be anihilated by the Black man’s ability to produce melanin. And what repsonse do I see, ” thanks for the historical background on the size of the African Phallus, as I’m sure it matters a great deal to you; but I myself have been told that I do not have the need to feel any envy in that area.” Where did I mention anything on the size of a penis? Where did you mention anything about him not being ” the man his wife needs” ? As you can probably see Mr. Brown I am a little younger and still have much to learn as I have begun to speak on something that I just said I wouldn’t. Sometimes I just get really angry about certain things. As for my books, my collection is kind of small. I have The Mis-Education of the Negro by Carter G. Woodson, Chains and Images of Psychological Slavery by Dr. Na’im Akbar, I Speak of Freedom by Kwame Nkrumah, Nigger by Dick Gregory, A People’s History of the united states by Howard Zinn, and my fav The Isis Papers by Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. I know that there is so much I should get, do you have any suggestions, must haves that I should know about?

]]> By: Rev. Solomon http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2300 Rev. Solomon Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:23:11 +0000 http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-provides-platform-for-the-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2300 Moses married who? As I read this article, I kept hearing the words of Jeremiah, found in the first chapter of the book of Jeremiah, saing, "...Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew you...I ordained you...". Our foci should be on God's pre-determined plan(s) for our lives. Whether, ethiopian, caucasian, black, pilipino or otherwise, what really matters in the final analysis is whether the person that we marry is the one that God has chosen for us (before the foundation of the world) in order for us to fulfill our destinies! With respect to any member of the human genome, if we discriminate against other individuals or prejudge them, we have issues1 Remember Peter: he didn't touch unclean things. And remember Jeremiah, he felt that the skin color of the Ethiopian was apparently problematic in that it was unchangeable. God spoke to the Rev one day and said the following: Our theme - ought to be - to pursue different passions - for different people! None of us should be Miriam's or Aaron's with regard to who our sistah's or brotha's date or get married to. The bigger issue is whether their relationships are in keeping with the divine will! Moses married who?

As I read this article, I kept hearing the words of Jeremiah, found in the first chapter of the book of Jeremiah, saing, “…Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew you…I ordained you…”.

Our foci should be on God’s pre-determined plan(s) for our lives. Whether, ethiopian, caucasian, black, pilipino or otherwise, what really matters in the final analysis is whether the person that we marry is the one that God has chosen for us (before the foundation of the world) in order for us to fulfill our destinies!

With respect to any member of the human genome, if we discriminate against other individuals or prejudge them, we have issues1 Remember Peter: he didn’t touch unclean things. And remember Jeremiah, he felt that the skin color of the Ethiopian was apparently problematic in that it was unchangeable.

God spoke to the Rev one day and said the following: Our theme - ought to be - to pursue different passions - for different people!

None of us should be Miriam’s or Aaron’s with regard to who our sistah’s or brotha’s date or get married to. The bigger issue is whether their relationships are in keeping with the divine will!

]]> By: Common Sense http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2299 Common Sense Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:38:29 +0000 http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-provides-platform-for-the-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2299 In the first clip, Love in Black and White, it is so obvious that the sister who placed an ad looking for a white man and married him, truly hates herself or black men. For her to say that only white men approach her is insane. She was nice looking so I know for a fact that the brothers put their bid in. I don't know the lady but i'm wondering what kind of vibe was she giving to the brothers that would make them not holler at her. A lot of sisters who have got it together, once they have made it, look for any reason to justify the constant attack on Black men. Think about it. For some it is very easy to join or support the side that is in power. An unholy alliance is taking place right before our very eyes. One of the best operatives against the black male is not only racism, class struggle and lack of knowledge, but also the skillfully veiled cult of Sisterhood which promotes in the end the separation of the black man from the black women. If we are going to tell the truth then let's tell it. In the first clip, Love in Black and White, it is so obvious that the sister who placed an ad looking for a white man and married him, truly hates herself or black men. For her to say that only white men approach her is insane. She was nice looking so I know for a fact that the brothers put their bid in. I don’t know the lady but i’m wondering what kind of vibe was she giving to the brothers that would make them not holler at her. A lot of sisters who have got it together, once they have made it, look for any reason to justify the constant attack on Black men. Think about it. For some it is very easy to join or support the side that is in power. An unholy alliance is taking place right before our very eyes. One of the best operatives against the black male is not only racism, class struggle and lack of knowledge, but also the skillfully veiled cult of Sisterhood which promotes in the end the separation of the black man from the black women. If we are going to tell the truth then let’s tell it.

]]> By: Heber Brown, III http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-promotes-division-and-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2296 Heber Brown, III Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:12:25 +0000 http://faithinactiononline.com/2007/12/02/nbc-provides-platform-for-the-denigration-of-black-love/#comment-2296 Ok - folks it took me about a week to organize my thoughts and get this article up so I definitely didn't want to get on and start responding to comments right away. Thanks for giving me a sec to rest my fingertips. ABW- Thanks for your comment. I agree. This post's intent was not to say I am totally against all interracial relationships. While it's not my preference, I have family members, co-workers, and friends who date or who have married someone outside of their race. As stated above: "my chief concern with this feature is the multiplicative adverse affect upon the Afrikan psyche and worldview which provides further support for the illusion of European superiority and by extension Afrikan inferiority." I think I know who you are and I really enjoy your blog. Keep up the great work! Ben - Thanks for your comment. I must say that my call for Afrikan Unity between Afrikan Brothers and Afrikan Sisters is just that....a call for our community to unify, rally around, and support each other. I'm not sure where you see an implication in my statements that you can't be "the man that your wife needs you to be." As you'll notice throughout this post, I'm speaking in political and macro-level terms...not individual relationships. I'm speaking of the "multiplicative adverse affects" of a divisive message in the Afrikan community. I won't begin nor am I interested in analyzing each and every interracial relationship...including yours. Your relationship with your wife is between you and your wife. I'm talking about what my COMMNUNITY (macro level) needs to do for itself and the mindframe we need to have in order to survive and thrive in this white supremacist culture. This call for UNITY is first for and about us - meaning the AFRIKAN COMMUNITY. I'm well aware of those outside of our community who have had the courage to bleed and die for social justice for Afrikan people, but let's not pretend as if that is the norm...those individuals are exceptions -not the rule. For those White people who are "on fire against racism and want to do something about it", I believe that their FIRST assignment is to turn around and challenge their own community. Concerned White people need to challenge the White Power Structure, expose the numbing poison of "white privilege", and FOLLOW the lead of Afrikan people in dismantling institutionalized racism. Perhaps you'd be interested in the work of Tim Wise - a White man who has turned around to speak primarily to his own community about its sins and responsibility in the racial justice arena. www.timwise.org Finally, I would like to extend a friendly caution in case you happen to have these types of conversations with other Afrikan people. It can be perceived to be quite arrogant behavior when White people tell Black people how they should feel and what they should think about race and racism in America. I hope you enjoy and are inspired by Tim Wise's work. There's also a blog you may enjoy: www.whiteprivilege.com Nicole - Thanks for your comment. I agree. There is much work to do within our community to rebuild mutual respect and loyalty. Hopefully, this post in some small way sparks meaningful dialogue. In an effort to actualize the advice that I gave to Brothers above - let me say that I truly appreciate you and have the utmost respect for you as an amazing Afrikan Queen. I support you. I respect you. I'll defend you and I have great "brotherly" love for you. Antonio - Thanks for your comment and I appreciate you visiting my blog. My process of "awakening" began in seminary and was accelerated when my class took a trip to study Afrikan Traditional Religions in Ghana, West Afrika. There - my "eyes" really "opened" and I've not been the same since. I pray that Almighty God continues to order both of our steps on this great and mighty walk. I see that you've read the great work of Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. What other books are you using to awaken from your brainwashed state? Anonymous - Thank you for your comment. I'm saddened to hear of the complications in your marriage. I hope that the love that brought you two together will help keep you two together even during this time. Know that you have a Brother in Bmore who respects you, supports you, and is praying for you and your family. Ray - Thank you for your comment. I agree that the afterlife will eliminate racial divisions altogether, however, as I'm sure you've figured out by now, I have different views about what should be done about systematic/institutional racism. I'm not willing to wait until I get to heaven to experience social justice. God's Will should be done on earth as it is in heaven. Just as God burdened Habakkuk, Malachi, and others with a prophetic and unsettling charge, I feel that God has done likewise with me. The call that God has placed on my life is one that propels me to challenge everything that attempts to thwart social justice on earth (Amos 5: 21-24) and right now from my vantage point, institutional racism (a.k.a. white supremacy) is the goliath that dares would-be davids to battle. I can't speak for others, but my views and activity in the arena of battling institutional racism is not intended to be divisive, however, it is to challenge this country to engage an issue that it has long been purposely avoiding. If Dr. W.E.B. DuBois can, in 1903 mind you, identify racial injustice/unrest as the problem of the 20th Century, then we surely need to tackle it today as well. That is, unless we're ready to concede that the issue has been resolved. I'm not ready to concede that yet and I don't believe that this issue is going to just go away on its own. Just as a quick note...based on the definitions of these loaded terms like race, racism, white privilege, etc., Black people are unable to be "racist" as they do not have the power to enforce their prejudices. Put simply, Racism = Prejudice + Power. For more definitions visit: http://www.antiracistworkshop.org/define/def.html Dr. Frances Cress Welsing further expounds upon these definitions in her book, The Isis Papers as well. Again - THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS!! Meaningful engagement is necessary and to me - a great joy. Thank you for visiting my blog and I look forward to more of your comments as you are led. Ok - folks it took me about a week to organize my thoughts and get this article up so I definitely didn’t want to get on and start responding to comments right away. Thanks for giving me a sec to rest my fingertips.

ABW- Thanks for your comment. I agree. This post’s intent was not to say I am totally against all interracial relationships. While it’s not my preference, I have family members, co-workers, and friends who date or who have married someone outside of their race. As stated above: “my chief concern with this feature is the multiplicative adverse affect upon the Afrikan psyche and worldview which provides further support for the illusion of European superiority and by extension Afrikan inferiority.” I think I know who you are and I really enjoy your blog. Keep up the great work!

Ben - Thanks for your comment. I must say that my call for Afrikan Unity between Afrikan Brothers and Afrikan Sisters is just that….a call for our community to unify, rally around, and support each other. I’m not sure where you see an implication in my statements that you can’t be “the man that your wife needs you to be.” As you’ll notice throughout this post, I’m speaking in political and macro-level terms…not individual relationships. I’m speaking of the “multiplicative adverse affects” of a divisive message in the Afrikan community. I won’t begin nor am I interested in analyzing each and every interracial relationship…including yours. Your relationship with your wife is between you and your wife. I’m talking about what my COMMNUNITY (macro level) needs to do for itself and the mindframe we need to have in order to survive and thrive in this white supremacist culture. This call for UNITY is first for and about us - meaning the AFRIKAN COMMUNITY. I’m well aware of those outside of our community who have had the courage to bleed and die for social justice for Afrikan people, but let’s not pretend as if that is the norm…those individuals are exceptions -not the rule. For those White people who are “on fire against racism and want to do something about it”, I believe that their FIRST assignment is to turn around and challenge their own community. Concerned White people need to challenge the White Power Structure, expose the numbing poison of “white privilege”, and FOLLOW the lead of Afrikan people in dismantling institutionalized racism. Perhaps you’d be interested in the work of Tim Wise - a White man who has turned around to speak primarily to his own community about its sins and responsibility in the racial justice arena. http://www.timwise.org Finally, I would like to extend a friendly caution in case you happen to have these types of conversations with other Afrikan people. It can be perceived to be quite arrogant behavior when White people tell Black people how they should feel and what they should think about race and racism in America. I hope you enjoy and are inspired by Tim Wise’s work. There’s also a blog you may enjoy: http://www.whiteprivilege.com

Nicole - Thanks for your comment. I agree. There is much work to do within our community to rebuild mutual respect and loyalty. Hopefully, this post in some small way sparks meaningful dialogue. In an effort to actualize the advice that I gave to Brothers above - let me say that I truly appreciate you and have the utmost respect for you as an amazing Afrikan Queen. I support you. I respect you. I’ll defend you and I have great “brotherly” love for you.

Antonio - Thanks for your comment and I appreciate you visiting my blog. My process of “awakening” began in seminary and was accelerated when my class took a trip to study Afrikan Traditional Religions in Ghana, West Afrika. There - my “eyes” really “opened” and I’ve not been the same since. I pray that Almighty God continues to order both of our steps on this great and mighty walk. I see that you’ve read the great work of Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. What other books are you using to awaken from your brainwashed state?

Anonymous - Thank you for your comment. I’m saddened to hear of the complications in your marriage. I hope that the love that brought you two together will help keep you two together even during this time. Know that you have a Brother in Bmore who respects you, supports you, and is praying for you and your family.

Ray - Thank you for your comment. I agree that the afterlife will eliminate racial divisions altogether, however, as I’m sure you’ve figured out by now, I have different views about what should be done about systematic/institutional racism. I’m not willing to wait until I get to heaven to experience social justice. God’s Will should be done on earth as it is in heaven. Just as God burdened Habakkuk, Malachi, and others with a prophetic and unsettling charge, I feel that God has done likewise with me. The call that God has placed on my life is one that propels me to challenge everything that attempts to thwart social justice on earth (Amos 5: 21-24) and right now from my vantage point, institutional racism (a.k.a. white supremacy) is the goliath that dares would-be davids to battle. I can’t speak for others, but my views and activity in the arena of battling institutional racism is not intended to be divisive, however, it is to challenge this country to engage an issue that it has long been purposely avoiding. If Dr. W.E.B. DuBois can, in 1903 mind you, identify racial injustice/unrest as the problem of the 20th Century, then we surely need to tackle it today as well. That is, unless we’re ready to concede that the issue has been resolved. I’m not ready to concede that yet and I don’t believe that this issue is going to just go away on its own. Just as a quick note…based on the definitions of these loaded terms like race, racism, white privilege, etc., Black people are unable to be “racist” as they do not have the power to enforce their prejudices. Put simply, Racism = Prejudice + Power. For more definitions visit: http://www.antiracistworkshop.org/define/def.html Dr. Frances Cress Welsing further expounds upon these definitions in her book, The Isis Papers as well.

Again - THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS!! Meaningful engagement is necessary and to me - a great joy. Thank you for visiting my blog and I look forward to more of your comments as you are led.

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